The new Turbo Tuner desktop model?

[dannopelli]

http://www.turbo-tuner.com/pages/slidest122a.htm

Check this out!

[mdrs]

I've got the "old" model ST-122..........this "new" one looks pretty much the same, but has a metal housing, and a more heavy duty stand???

Looks pretty good. Also looks like it comes in a nice padded carrying case.

[tom]

we have the previous version of those on the setup benches at the shop. they're wonderful. the old one had a plastic case instead of the new metal one, but still had all the great functions. we have all the buzz feiten offsets in one preset so it is completely hands free for tuning and intonation. still tracks lightning fast like the floor tuner.

[Ray K.]

Yeah, I saw this a few weeks ago. Also, meant to post it, but didn't get around to it. Thanks for the reminder Dan.

I'd like to get a new tuner for my bench and this one looks really nice. Compact, yet rugged looking with the aluminum case. Plus, it will take BFTS tunings and has a built in mic for acoustic instruments.

I don't see any indication of when they will be available, so unless someone knows, I'll just keep checking back.

Funny, I preferred my honkin' StroboStomp over the ST-200 tuner on my live board. But, I would prefer the opposite on my bench...meaning the ST-122 in the metal enclosure.

Ahh, I just did a quick search and it seems it is available for purchase now, but you have to call or email your order. For some reason they don't have it listed on their site just yet.

Ray K.

[ckofahl]

I have one of the new tuners, and Tom if you don't mind me asking, how did you get all the offsets in one setting, for hands free tuning, I had to program the intonation offsets into a new tuning? thanks

[pipedwho]

I've got one of the new ones too. And it is basically identical to the old plastic one except for the aluminium housing (which is very nice indeed!) and a few extra pre-programmed tunings for pedal steel guitars.

Note: to program more than 6 strings into a new tuning preset in the ST-122A I had to delete some of the factory presets first.

To program in the 6 BFTS standard offsets plus 6 BFTS 12th fret offsets into a single tuning preset, it's best to name the strings something like:

E,A,D,G,B,e,
E12,A12,D12,G12,B12,e12

You may also need to sort them by order of frequency in descending order (this is what I did, but it may not be necessary).

[dannopelli]

I've got one of the new ones too. And it is basically identical to the old plastic one except for the aluminium housing (which is very nice indeed!) and a few extra pre-programmed tunings for pedal steel guitars.

Note: to program more than 6 strings into a new tuning preset in the ST-122A I had to delete some of the factory presets first.

To program in the 6 BFTS standard offsets plus 6 BFTS 12th fret offsets into a single tuning preset, it's best to name the strings something like:

E,A,D,G,B,e,
E12,A12,D12,G12,B12,e12

You may also need to sort them by order of frequency in descending order (this is what I did, but it may not be necessary).

You know you give some of the most succinct yet detailed responses on this board. I always look out for your replies to technical questions.

Some day when I grow up I want to be smart like you.

[dannopelli]

Is anyone using this new model in a pedal board? If so, how hard is it to see the note you are tuning, since unlike the pedal version, it is not centered in the strobe ring?

[tom]

i'm not sure it would be my choice for live, but as long as you're never crazy out of tune i don't think seeing the note value would be too scary.

here's how i have ours programmed.
you will see the note value for each as you tune. you do have to enter the notes i order of highest to lowest. i have the note position at the end of each line.
in use you don't have to think about anything.

Programming the ST-122
For BFTS open and offsets for electric guitar
With 7 string B

1=5 octave E 0 offset(12 fret E).
2=4 octave B 0 offset(12th fret B).
3=4 octave G +1. offset(12th fret G).
4=4 octave E 0 offset(open E).
5=4 octave D +1. offset(12th fret D).
6=3 octave B +1. offset(open B).
7=3 octave A 0 offset(12th fret A).
8=3 octave G -2. offset(open G).
9=3 octave E 0 offset(12th fret E).
10=3 octave D -2. offset(open D).
11=2 octave A -2. offset(open A).
12=2 octave B 0 offset (octave B).
13=2 octave E -2. offset(open E).
14=1 octave B -3. offset(open B).

[Pietro]

My problem is that I use non-BFTS, acoustic BFTS (Crowdster), and electric BFTS (Hollow Cobra), often in the same set of music. What a pain. I end up using the tuner in my HD 500 for my PRS and my Crowdster (the offsets don't make such a huge deal there) and my StroboStomp for my Cobra.

Honestly, the old "switch" on my DT7 was the best for this.

But I'm curious, when setting intonation, how does the tuner know which E note it is when you're doing the low E string up high? Does it tell right away?

[Pietro]

Also, Tom, are the acoustic offsets basically half of that as I've heard?

[ckofahl]

Tom, are you naming the strings as you program a new tuning?

[tom]

they come up with the note as punched in after the octave. the display will say the note what octave it's in, and the offset applied.

[dannopelli]

My problem is that I use non-BFTS, acoustic BFTS (Crowdster), and electric BFTS (Hollow Cobra), often in the same set of music. What a pain. I end up using the tuner in my HD 500 for my PRS and my Crowdster (the offsets don't make such a huge deal there) and my StroboStomp for my Cobra.

Honestly, the old "switch" on my DT7 was the best for this.

But I'm curious, when setting intonation, how does the tuner know which E note it is when you're doing the low E string up high? Does it tell right away?

If you don't need to put all the offsets into one preset, then just simply choose a preset for "NORMAL", and adjacent preset for "BFTS OPEN" and the next for "BFTS 12". What you do live is simply toggle back and forth from NORMAL to BFTS OPEN.

[tom]

But I'm curious, when setting intonation, how does the tuner know which E note it is when you're doing the low E string up high? Does it tell right away?
the octave tells it which E it is. open E is 4th octave, 12th fret is 5th octave. so it will apply the correct offset for the note it hears. when it reads the note it will also tell you which octave it is. it's a very smart tuner.

[wolf]

Just get the Strobo Flip.
All the BFTS presets are pre programmed.

I've had one since they 1st came out and it's faultless. :D

[tom]

but not as fast! tuning to the attack gets you all the way there with the tuning system. i never would have thought it could really make a dif, but it really does.

[pipedwho]

You know you give some of the most succinct yet detailed responses on this board. I always look out for your replies to technical questions.

Some day when I grow up I want to be smart like you.
I try my best! ;)

[dannopelli]

but not as fast! tuning to the attack gets you all the way there with the tuning system. i never would have thought it could really make a dif, but it really does.

BIG +1 on that!

BTW, I beat my boards up pretty well and these things are built like tanks.

[Ray K.]

I just bought a clean/pre-owned Peterson V-SAM: http://www.petersontuners.com/index.cfm?category=92

I couldn't help it...honest! ;) I was searching around for the new Turbo Tuner ST-122A, found the V-SAM and it seductively called my name.

Remember, this is for my bench. But, if it turns out to be too clutzy (new word day!) to use, I should be able to sell/trade it easily enough and order up an ST-122A.

Ray K.

[Ray K.]

Well I got my Peterson V-SAM. It came in the original box with manuals and looks like new!

Here's the snag...mine is a 2005 model, so it doesn't have Buzz Feiten (BFTS) and certain other Temperaments already programmed in. I contacted Peterson and was told that in 2007 they upgraded the hardware, increased the memory and added several Temperaments - just like the StropoFlip. Mine cannot be updated. :(

Oh well, I can still use P1 and P2 to program in the offsets for BFTS, so it's not a total waste. But, I may see about selling or trading for a newer model for the added convenience.

Just an FYI in case someone else decides to buy a used V-SAM.

Ray K.

[tom]

we have one here we used some before the turbo tuners were available. i never bothered to program it, just ran it manual. haven't used it since getting the tt's.

[Ray K.]

Manual? Is yours one of the later models with BTFS already programmed in?

Adding the offsets to P1 & P2 is for intonation, P1 for open string and P2 for 12th harmonic. I think that's the same as how you use a TT?

Ray K.

[tom]

no, an early one. just manually put the cents where they needed to be for each string.

[Ray K.]

Gotcha.

If you get a hankering to do so, the BFTS offsets are easy enough to enter into P1 and P2. Plenty of info on the Peterson Tuner Forum on how to do it.

Ray K.

[tom]

i'm hooked on the faster acting tt now.

[Ray K.]

Yeah, I know... :D

I may be headed that way to. Haven't decided yet and have too much going on at the moment.

Ray K.