Intonating an Anderson normally

[dankayaker]

Count me as one the the BFTS haters . . . Never played a guitar with it that sounded right to me in a band. I've had Suhrs and Andy's and never had any luck . . . . . . .so, can the Cobra ( which I think is a killer guitar . . putting BFTS aside) I have be intonated open string and 12th fretted with good results ?
I'm curious what you guys have to say.

thanks,
Dan


BTW: I have a DT-7 tuner and a Peterson VS-1 and have used the BFTS offsets.

[Rhys]

i think i've seen tom suggest one way to undo the bfts effect without a new nut is to put a capo on the 2nd fret and intonate it at the 2nd and 14th like normal.

[tom]

you can just intonate normally. it will act as a normal guitar but your F's on the first fret won't be too sharp.
don't hate, just reintonate.

[dankayaker]

you can just intonate normally. it will act as a normal guitar but your F's on the first fret won't be too sharp.
don't hate, just reintonate.


Thanks guys . . .Tom . . .the "not to sharp F's" . . . . . . not sure I understand the implications . . . . . will the guitar sound OK this way ?

thanks

[bruce]

Thanks guys . . .Tom . . .the "not to sharp F's" . . . . . . not sure I understand the implications . . . . . will the guitar sound OK this way ?

thanks

The guitar will sound OK this way.

[dankayaker]

The guitar will sound OK this way.


Maybe I should have used different terminology . . .will it sound right ?

[Pietro]

If I recall correctly, what you want to do is exactly what Suhr has been doing normally on his guitars lately. Evidently it works fine.

[tom]

the moved nut from the bfts makes the first fret not be sharp. then if you even temper at the bridge you will be normal. for me that's not "right", but for you it should be "right".

[morty]

I dont understand why you want non BF intonaton.. at first it felt very strange to me too, but i guess over time i have learned to compensate for pitch on my Fender with normal intonation.. when i got used to the BF tuning i realy love it, and would like to have it on my Tylor too..
I recomand you get a guitartech to intonate your guitar correctly, if you dont have experience..
I will never buy an electric without BF in the future.

and i have to say my ears is realy sensitive for pitch! so when you get used to it you will love it.

[lbartram]

Dan:

I don't know the answer to your question, but it sounds like it has been answered here already. I'd be interested in hearing if you (or others) play in bands with keyboard players, or in bands with only guitars/basses without Buzz Feiten Tuning System. I'm mainly a piano player. Before BFTS, I'd never played with a guitar player who sounded in tune with him/herself and the rest of the band, especially with first certain position chords.

I've read that players like Jerry Donahue feel with his method you can get "correctly" intonated with the original Telecaster brass saddles and no BFTS. I'm sure not gonna argue with Jerry D.

It seems like "correct" tuning and temperament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_temperament) is in the ear of the beholder. But if one player in a band is using one temperament and the others are using a different one, well... I don't know. Is it still art? :cool:

To my ears, BFTS rescued most guitars. With it, they're tempered like a piano in a musical way familiar to modern western ears; they play in tune with themselves. Speaking for myself, I love BFTS, and I think Tom and company wouldn't install it if they didn't love it, too. However, temperament seems like one of those things that we'll never get everyone to agree about. There wouldn't be so many temperaments, otherwise.

[dankayaker]

I dont understand why you want non BF intonaton.. at first it felt very strange to me too, but i guess over time i have learned to compensate for pitch on my Fender with normal intonation.. when i got used to the BF tuning i realy love it, and would like to have it on my Tylor too..
I recomand you get a guitartech to intonate your guitar correctly, if you dont have experience..
I will never buy an electric without BF in the future.

and i have to say my ears is realy sensitive for pitch! so when you get used to it you will love it.


Thanks Morty . . . but I guess we'll just disagree . . . .I've been setting up guitars and intonating for years so it's not a matter of not knowing what
I'm doing. There are plenty of us out there . . .Suhr now does not us BFTS as standard practice.

[dankayaker]

I'll be re-intonating today to standard and will report back.

[tom]

well said larry. there is no right answer. when i got my turbo tuner i mistakenly intonated to standard and had a terrible weekend tuning. so for me it reinforced that buzz's system works for me. i always play with a keyboardist and acoustic guitar player. it's just going to be different for different people.

[dankayaker]

I tried again to get the BFTS to sound right to me and discovered that the DT-7 is really not accurate enough, so I used the offsets I've found on-line for open tuning and 12th fret with my Peterson . . . . . and it sounds better to me this time. I went through this with my Suhr and actually had John De-BFTS it by moving the nut back to it's original spot . . . .that guitar sounded alot better to me that way.

I'll give it a little time and see how I feel.

[bruce]

Hey Tom,

When you mistakenly set the tuner, was it tuning open strings normal without BF offsets as well?

[tom]

yes it was. i then went and tried the other possibilities and am happiest with the bfts intonation offsets and tuning. with the turbo tuner i am happier than i ever have been. i have not run into any voicings that have any weirdness for me...but i am but a simple caveman...

[jeff h]

How do you intonate using a Peterson Strobo Stomp II?

[tom]

someone who has one will have to chime in. don't have one here.

[dannopelli]

If you do a search on the forum it is here. I don't have a SS, I'm a Turbo Tuner guy, but aren't the offsets built in on the SS?

[Thoth105]

They are built in to the stomp box version of the Peterson. They don't appear to be in the iPhone version though.