new YouTubes! Egnater Rebel 30 & Renegade 1x12

[guitarzan]

Videos are uploading right now:
www.youtube.com/dognmoon

there should be three videos from today: renegade clean, renegade gain, rebel 30

The Renegade 1x12 is really great. I expect great amps from Bruce, but this one was a punch in the mouth. Great great great amplifier.

[dannopelli]

Are you using Cool picks?

Oh yeah, NICE DEMO! Thanks for sharing!

[guitarzan]

Thanks, Danno. Yup, Cool Picks for me. I found a couple in NY 2 years ago and have been crazy about them ever since. Now if I ever see any more in stores while I'm out, I buy every one they have.

I still use V-Picks occasionally while practicing, but Cool Picks are the tried and true.

[mapleneck]

Thanks for posting the videos! Both amps sounded great and the Renegade makes me miss the MICA TOL 100 head that I sold last year.

[mslugano]

Man, that sounds very cool. I like the idea of the Rebel 20 with more headroom, two channels and reverb. Also, for someone like me that plays in US, EU, and even Middle East, the variable voltage selector means I only need one amp and no bulky transformer.

What are you guy's thoughts on the 1X12 stack or 2X12 combo?

[guitarzan]

Man, that sounds very cool. I like the idea of the Rebel 20 with more headroom, two channels and reverb. Also, for someone like me that plays in US, EU, and even Middle East, the variable voltage selector means I only need one amp and no bulky transformer.

What are you guy's thoughts on the 1X12 stack or 2X12 combo?

When I went to pick these up, the Rebel 30 2x12 were there as well. That's a big amp. It's about the size of a deep AC30. I have it in my head that the Rebel is a small/portable amp and the 2x12 negates that a little.

[mslugano]

Yea, that's what I kinda thought. I think I would do the 1X12 stack for either Rebel or Renegade.

I would really love to see you do more Strat stuff! I have not been doing much HB stuff for a long time and my style is Jimi, Zep, Heartbreakers, Peter Stroud, with a bit of Ford thrown in to spice things up. I like a nice clean channel just on the verge of breakup and then an OD channel that's not super saturated (with a Telenordia OD, Lovepedal and/or Fulltone Octafuzz to drive it further when necessary)...all through a Dumble cloan.

Sorry to ask, but I gotta. Which would you suggest...Rebel/Renegade? Or should I lean more toward a Budda or Gabriel maybe? I know...subjective as tone is and all...but I'd love to get your FWIW type opinion if you don't mind. I live in southern Switzerland and there are VERY few places where I can go and A/B stuff (usually means a drive to and then around Milan which is always a nightmare and access to good gear is still limited) so others' opinion and YouTube stuff is what I have grown to appreciate more than you might imagine.

By the way, I sure like your subtle touch on Little Wing.

You mention the grounding issues...the popping must be really annoying. Have you tried a conditioner or something to sort it?

Thanks, Michael

[guitarzan]

Yea, that's what I kinda thought. I think I would do the 1X12 stack for either Rebel or Renegade.

I would really love to see you do more Strat stuff! I have not been doing much HB stuff for a long time and my style is Jimi, Zep, Heartbreakers, Peter Stroud, with a bit of Ford thrown in to spice things up. I like a nice clean channel just on the verge of breakup and then an OD channel that's not super saturated (with a Telenordia OD, Lovepedal and/or Fulltone Octafuzz to drive it further when necessary)...all through a Dumble cloan.

Sorry to ask, but I gotta. Which would you suggest...Rebel/Renegade? Or should I lean more toward a Budda or Gabriel maybe? I know...subjective as tone is and all...but I'd love to get your FWIW type opinion if you don't mind. I live in southern Switzerland and there are VERY few places where I can go and A/B stuff (usually means a drive to and then around Milan which is always a nightmare and access to good gear is still limited) so others' opinion and YouTube stuff is what I have grown to appreciate more than you might imagine.

Thanks, Michael

Hi Michael,
If I had to choose between the two, I'd probably choose the Renegade. For starters, it's more versatile. You get two channels and then a second master volume which acts as a boost. And that boost is footswitchable and can be assignable to both the clean channel and the drive channel or just one or the other. It also has a switchable loop (assignable per channel), switchable reverb (assignable per channel), and the ability to run just about any kind of power tube you want (except for EL84's). And not just ONE kind of tube, but two kind of tubes that you could use to blend between the two. And there's so much EQ tweakability that it's hard to believe that somebody would fail to get a likable sound out of it.

If I had to find a couple of criticisms with the amp, the first is that when the gain is turned up there's a pretty good amount of noise there. I don't usually run gain up too high, but I also don't like a noise floor when I'm not playing. I hate to be the guy who brought the hiss machine to a performance, you know? The second thing is that it is voiced with Bruce Egnater's ears. And I happen to love what his ears create, but if guys are looking for that syrupy midrange drive (Dumble/Fuchs ODS), I think you might be missing out with this amp. I think you could probably get there with this amp by goosing the mids and the low end, but I don't think those tones are gonna naturally fall out of this amp without some coaxing, you know?

Truth be told, they're both great amps and as soon as I choose one over the other, the forsaken one reminds me why it's a cool amp too. :)

[mslugano]

Thanks Gzan. I can run the syrupy stuff with an EQ on one pedal or another if I really need that tone. It's not really my first choice. My stuff usually has more edge to it but the lead lines will have the Ford type structure.

I like the tube choice, though, very much...and two channels and assignable this and that is very cool. Since I don't really run much gain, the noise floor is not a huge issue but I appreciate you pointing this out.

It seems that, among the non-Mod50 Egnaters, the Renegade has the most robust features. Though I like my cloan a lot, I need more and I think I have about narrowed my choice to Renegade, Budda SD30 or 45 and Gabriel V33.

On a different topic (if it's OK), which CoolPicks do you guys use? I switched from Dunlop 1.0mm to VPick Medium pointed and Screamer a couple years ago and like them a lot but, since they are so expensive, I find I am always watching them like a hawk. Why do you like the Cool Picks?

[dannopelli]

Corey,

Have you had a chance to compare the Renegade to the Electra Dyne?

[guitarzan]

Corey,

Have you had a chance to compare the Renegade to the Electra Dyne?

No, but an ElectraDyne seems pretty cool. The videos on the mesa site are pretty tempting. But, truth be told, this Renegade is dangerously close to my MOD50 in many ways. I'd say it's 93% there. That last 7% is crucial, but it's pretty scary how close they're getting with a combo that sells for $1149 (and that's before the 10-20% coupons that will flood your mailbox as we get closer to the holidays).

[bud]

oh great, something else to buy.

Thanks yer 'zanness':D

[dannopelli]

oh great, something else to buy.

Thanks yer 'zanness':D

OK that one had me practically crying!

[guitarzan]

oh great, something else to buy.

Thanks yer 'zanness':D

I do it because I love, Bud.

[dannopelli]

I do it because I love, Bud.

All y'all are killing me...

:D :D :D

[csd]

hey corey,
picked me up a renegade head and a 212 cab. was not expecting to score an animal as such, but me likey!!
i saw gustavo and john up here in toronto and ended up takin' this thing home! :eek: very cool amp! i'm not used to it yet. it responds differently than my morris amps. the gain structures are totally diff, but i needed a channel switcher. i will ride it out and let yas know more later on.
a new andy and a new amp! :)

[guitarzan]

hey corey,
picked me up a renegade head and a 212 cab. was not expecting to score an animal as such, but me likey!!
i saw gustavo and john up here in toronto and ended up takin' this thing home! :eek: very cool amp! i'm not used to it yet. it responds differently than my morris amps. the gain structures are totally diff, but i needed a channel switcher. i will ride it out and let yas know more later on.
a new andy and a new amp! :)

That's awesome. I can't wait to get your impressions of it. It's what I've been playing around the house all week and I'm tracking with it all day today. It's a fun amp, that's fer sure.

[csd]

well. . . . . i honestly do like this amp. i like the cleans, but they are not quite twinish enough, more black face, still very very nice. they break up at that perfect spot when you get in there and its cool. i really need to rehearse with the guys and wind her out a bit to give it a fair final trial. at the church i'll be able to give it a good go.
the crunch side is nice as well. you can get some nice grind and you can also get a thicker crunch as well. i'd say i'm content with the gain at the 12-1 o'clock spot. works well for what i play. i really dug your noodling around corey, nice tones! from a mac mic!! a nice touch with your playing. a floyd . . . .:rolleyes: !!! just joking!!!!!! i remember the soloist days and, well . .uh, that's behind me now! i really lost the rippin'.?! can't do it.
anyway, i raved about this amp so well (and much!:D ) that a buddy down in florida is checking it out at the gc. he told me he was sold on it!
it's nothing like my morris', but it is something diff and it rocks quite nicely!
hats off john! bruce this is a beautiful amplifier. :)

[guitarzan]

a nice touch with your playing. a floyd . . . .:rolleyes: !!! just joking!!!!!! i remember the soloist days and, well . .uh, that's behind me now! i really lost the rippin'.?! can't do it.

You know, I feel the exact same way. But I'm convinced there's a particular sound to a Floyd that a vintage bridge doesn't get. Of course, It's entirely possible that every guitar is the sum of its parts and that the Floyd has nothing to do with why this particular guitar sounds so sweet. But at this point, I could care less. I'll deal with the shredder jokes that bandmates give me. haha. I can't shred either, but a little wiggle with the Floyd here and there brings out my best Huff/Landau. :) I wouldn't care if there was a magic booger sealed under the clearcoat... whatever it is, it works like a charm and created a stellar sounding instrument!!

[dannopelli]

You know.. I wouldn't care if there was a magic booger sealed under the clearcoat... whatever it is, it works like a charm and created a stellar sounding instrument!!

I understand the Magic Booger option was discontinued. How did you get one?

[guitarzan]

I understand the Magic Booger option was discontinued. How did you get one?

11-1-96A
It was a great year for magic boogers.

[dannopelli]

Oh now I remember! They were so good the EPA started regulating them to extinction in the subsequent years!

[mdrs]

Thanks to a congenital sinus condition, I'm in temporary, yet constant supply, of magic boogers...........

:cool:

[csd]

i am really confused! i really really liked this amp when i got it. the only gtr that has played thru it is my recent classic. the cleans are alright, the dirt isn't like my morris'. i can't seem to dial in something that sounds like me. everything is thin and something is missing?
alot of you guys are big players and seem to be really happy with this amp. i can understand the modulars being a diff animal, but cory you have clips of the renegade 'rockin'!! just got paid..
anyway, any help or advice that i could get from youz would be appreciated. is there something i should try? any suggestions that have worked for anyone?!!
any ques, fire them off to me and i will elaborate with the set up. if i can put something together, i'll try to show the diff....

help, i want to give this a fair try. :confused:

[guitarzan]

i am really confused! i really really liked this amp when i got it. the only gtr that has played thru it is my recent classic. the cleans are alright, the dirt isn't like my morris'. i can't seem to dial in something that sounds like me. everything is thin and something is missing?
alot of you guys are big players and seem to be really happy with this amp. i can understand the modulars being a diff animal, but cory you have clips of the renegade 'rockin'!! just got paid..
anyway, any help or advice that i could get from youz would be appreciated. is there something i should try? any suggestions that have worked for anyone?!!
any ques, fire them off to me and i will elaborate with the set up. if i can put something together, i'll try to show the diff....

help, i want to give this a fair try. :confused:

I normally keep the tight and bright switches off since I feel like they make the amp a little too focused. I want the bottom end and I want the squish.

Other than that, which guitars are you using?

[csd]

thanx cory, i will take a closer look with that as well. i have noodled quite a bit with diff settings.
i'm using a classic, prima body, i am trying some others thru it after this weekend. i don't have it at home presently, it's locked up at the church.
my other rigs sound great in the sanct, this one is a challenge for me!
i'm still workin' on it and will let you know, thanx. :)

[guitarzan]

thanx cory, i will take a closer look with that as well. i have noodled quite a bit with diff settings.
i'm using a classic, prima body, i am trying some others thru it after this weekend. i don't have it at home presently, it's locked up at the church.
my other rigs sound great in the sanct, this one is a challenge for me!
i'm still workin' on it and will let you know, thanx. :)

One thing I've noticed is that the master volume isn't nearly as graceful as the master on the MOD50 (or the Rebel 20/30 for that matter). The Renegade gets really loud really quickly and it's hard to find that sweet spot between the playing volume and an appropriate boost volume. Since you have the channel masters as well as two master volumes in the power section.

Also, I would try putting the channel masters at or above 12 or 1:00 and then finesse the output with the two master volumes in the output section.

[csd]

thanx for your tips, i will try. :)

[strat56]

I tried a Renegade 65 head today at GC. I couldn't tell any difference in the volume though when I switched it from 65 to 18 watts. Shouldn't I be able to hear a difference?

Thanks,
Jack

[guitarzan]

I tried a Renegade 65 head today at GC. I couldn't tell any difference in the volume though when I switched it from 65 to 18 watts. Shouldn't I be able to hear a difference?

Thanks,
Jack

To a certain extent. It changes the feel more than the volume. I bet if you had the amp cranked up to eye-bleeding levels and then flipped the switch you might hear the amp get darker and a little more compressed in the 18w mode.

[bruce egnater]

What's a Morris? Clips, specs ???

Bruce

[csd]

morrisamps.com/sounds.php

hi bruce
i must comment on your product being a beautiful thing, but unfortunately for me, i doesn't work like i thought i could make it.
i'm not a techy guy, so please forgive my ignorance in my trying to explain what i mean, but i find when i dig in and play hard, for lack of better discription, it seems to get really 'squished'. is there a compressor inside doing this to the signal? or it just must be the way i play?
cory really got me excited about them, as well of hearing soooo many forum guys playing these amps. i guess one gets used to what they are used to. i had to play guitar totally different. john and gustavo really make the amps sing!!
i know the 'analog vs. digital' debate ..... i find point to point vs. pcb is quite diff for me. what i hear really affected how i played through it. it was not bad at all, just different. what works for some, doesn't for others.

glen is a great friend of mine and has a few clips on his site that is in the link above.
being in the room with the amp is a much better representation, but you can hear what he's put together.

[bruce egnater]

I understand. I certainly didn't mean to imply you should like Egnater just because of what others say. I simply was not familiar with Morris. Certain things work for each player. That's why there are so many different amps, guitars, pedals etc. Each player gets a different feel and finds what they like. No two people like the same things for exactly the same reasons.

Thanks
Bruce

[csd]

very well put. thanx