Turbo Tuner

[dave]

my ST-200 turbo tuner just arrived. Nice bit of kit, but the temperament tuning options seem to be only for those wierd and wobbly True Temperament necks - anyone got any tips for using it with Tom's 'Buzz Feitenised' guitars??:confused:

[Ahess86]

You have to go into one of the custom banks and enter the offsets manually. I put mine in custom 1!

Its been a little while, but if my memory serves correctly it goes like this:

E = 00 (no adjustment required)
B = +01
G = -02
D = -02
A = -02
E = -02

I can double check when I get home that this is what mine are set at (and I love it!) Maybe Tom or someone else can chime in to confirm if this is right.

[Suriel Zayas]

my ST-200 turbo tuner just arrived. Nice bit of kit, but the temperament tuning options seem to be only for those wierd and wobbly True Temperament necks - anyone got any tips for using it with Tom's 'Buzz Feitenised' guitars??:confused:

you have to enter the bf offsets in "cust 4," i believe. unfortunately i don't have mine in front of me. btw, i highly recommend this tuner for those of you looking for a highly accurate tuner. there is thread somewhere on the forum. here are the bf offsets. turbo can't publish them, becuase they are not licensed to do so.

E___________________00
B__________________+01
G__________________-02
D__________________-02
A__________________-02
E__________________-02

[dannopelli]

Check post four in this one. ckofal gets it right, as he has both sets of offsets listed. More on that later...

http://andersonforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=5702&highlight=Turbo+Tuner

I have the TT in one of my boards. I am trying to figure out how to fit a second in my other board.

Note: If you CALL TT's support number, and you have the offsets in front of you, they will walk you through how to do the update. They just can't "tell you the offsets", just how to do it.

You need two sets of offsets if you are going to use this to intonate your guitar.

I have been using this tuner for a while. I suggest that unless you are going to do alt tunings, you set P1 for Standard, P2 for BF Open, and P3 for BF 12th.

You see there is a left and right button on the pedal that scrolls from one setting to the next. So if you use P1 P2 and P3, you never have to scroll more than one position to go from a non BF guitar to a BF guitar.

This is a great tuner and SUPER accurate. The most accurate pedal on the market.

[mdrs]

You guys ROCK, as does this forum!!

I have spent two days with my new ST-200.........it's a great tuner. My Korg DT-10's are now either becomming "hand me downs" to my two sons that play, or are for sale!! LOL

I'll be putting in the "pre sets" for the BF system so I can hear my Andersons IN TUNE, perhaps for the first time!!

I also just ordered a ST-122, for use with my acoustic and resonator guitars.

[Armando]

Maybe not suitable for your pedalboard but if you want "chic" coolness factor, Peterson strobe tuners recently released a version of their Strobo-soft virtual strobe tuner for the iPhone.

No, I don't work for Peterson.

[marzzz]

Maybe not suitable for your pedalboard but if you want "chic" coolness factor, Peterson strobe tuners recently released a version of their Strobo-soft virtual strobe tuner for the iPhone.

No, I don't work for Peterson.
Downloaded and installed it, doesn't work that well; plus no Feiten offsets.

I went with the Turbo Tuner based on recommendations here- I ordered it on a Saturday, it was in my mailbox on Monday! No problem at all programming in the Feiten offsets, and it is amazingly accurate. I am sure the Peterson is a wonderful device, but the Turbo Tuner is A+, smaller, and less expensive.

[mdrs]

I have personally had a tough time with the Peterson Strobe pedal. I just don't get along well with that display!!

It's for sale, too!! :)

[Armando]

Maybe this will take care of any tuning issues:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii30/ADIAZ28/IMG_1185EWjpg.jpg

Other than that, it's all 1's and 0's. I wouldn't think there would be any tuning issues....

[dannopelli]

Other than that, it's all 1's and 0's. I wouldn't think there would be any tuning issues....

Yes and no...

The Peterson is a digital tuner. The Turbo is analog.

Both are excellent and have their positive and negative points. At this level of accuracy I think it boils down to personal preference.

For me, nearly half the price and half the size made the TT stand out.

[marzzz]

Strobostomp II vs Turbo Tuner ST-200 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bY9H7ec6_0)

[tom]

that's cool! maybe i need one now?

[dannopelli]

Did anyone read the comments below the comparison! What a hoot!

[mdrs]

I read the entire Sonic Research web site (the company that makes the Turbo Tuners)..........the whole thing!! I actually learned quite a bit.

I saw that video before I ordered a ST-200. I'm loving the ST-200 stomp pedal so much, that I ordered a ST-122 this past Saturday. It was here Monday!!! I wanted the ST-122 for use with my acoustics and resonator guitars........it's got more pre-set modes, for open tunings and such.

I've had a crazy busy week, so I've not opened the ST-122.........but I will soon! I'm really appreciating the excellence of the ST-200!

[Suriel Zayas]

that's cool! maybe i need one now?
maybe you should get one, they're cool. however, i did notice they were tuning the decay to pitch, not the initial attack. :confused:

[tom]

that's one place where the speed of the tuner may not be to it's benefit. i know buzz always stresses tuning to the attack, but it's pretty hard to get it done that fast.

[bruce]

maybe you should get one, they're cool. however, i did notice they were tuning the decay to pitch, not the initial attack. :confused:

Yes, and did you notice when they are done tuning that the E chord sounds terrible?

Their website says "calibrated at the factory" which scares me. What happens when you are on the road and it becomes un-calibrated?

Tom, I've been practicing (and getting better at it) with 'tuning to the attack' and it is definitely working well in the studio. The famous low D is a prime example.

[John Price]

How about when your setting the intonation on your guitar do you do it to the attack as well?

[dannopelli]

The manual actually states to err on the decay fading flat. Just another way of saying tune to the attack.

[pipedwho]

Their website says "calibrated at the factory" which scares me. What happens when you are on the road and it becomes un-calibrated?

I wouldn't worry about that.

What they mean by "calibration" is most likely trimming the 'parts per million' accuracy of the crystal oscillator. So worst case, at extreme temperatures and long term aging, you're accuracy will still be well within 0.1 cents of ideal. ;)

[bruce]

How about when your setting the intonation on your guitar do you do it to the attack as well?

Yes.. I've found that the 12th fret note is not as volatile with going sharp when you strike it vs. open.. but I still pay attention to that.

A cool method of seeing the attack on the tuner is to hit the note about once every second... it keeps the string moving, not settling.

Using the neck pickup helps the tuner read nice (some guitars are weird though). Using your thumb and not a pick help to alleviate unwanted harmonics for a truer read from the tuner. These two things both Peterson and the Turbo Tune guys have mentioned.

[dave]

thanks folks - just got back home again, so will be spending this evening programming the offsets.

[dave]

You need two sets of offsets if you are going to use this to intonate your guitar.

I have been using this tuner for a while. I suggest that unless you are going to do alt tunings, you set P1 for Standard, P2 for BF Open, and P3 for BF 12th.


Thanks Danno - are you using the 00; 00; +01; +01, 00; 00 offsets on P3 for the BF 12th?

[John Price]

Yes.. I've found that the 12th fret note is not as volatile with going sharp when you strike it vs. open.. but I still pay attention to that.

A cool method of seeing the attack on the tuner is to hit the note about once every second... it keeps the string moving, not settling.

Using the neck pickup helps the tuner read nice (some guitars are weird though). Using your thumb and not a pick help to alleviate unwanted harmonics for a truer read from the tuner. These two things both Peterson and the Turbo Tune guys have mentioned.



Thanks Bruce....
I'm always using the neck or in between setting to tune. Something about the G that never wants to cooperate....

[bruce]

Hey guys,

I just got the Peterson app for the iPhone. Wow.. I'm impressed. It's very sensitive (which I prefer)... I tested it in-line with my StroboFlip. And how handy is this if your fly-gear doesn't make it to a gig on time or you are caught in a pinch without a tuner or need a backup?

Sorry for the hijack.

[csd]

bruce, where is that 'peterson' adapter cable available from? i have a touch, so i would need the cable. pic earlier in the thread.
and how about the offset programming?

[bruce]

bruce, where is that 'peterson' adapter cable available from? i have a touch, so i would need the cable. pic earlier in the thread.
and how about the offset programming?

Not sure. Check on Peterson's site. I already had a 1/4 to 1/8 cable which works on my 3G iPhone. Not sure if it will work on the pre-3G phones.

[John Price]

Hey guys,

I just got the Peterson app for the iPhone. Wow.. I'm impressed. It's very sensitive (which I prefer)... I tested it in-line with my StroboFlip. And how handy is this if your fly-gear doesn't make it to a gig on time or you are caught in a pinch without a tuner or need a backup?

Sorry for the hijack.

I have it installed on my iphone and it works great! I hope they update it to give you P1/P2 programming like on the SS.

[John Price]

bruce, where is that 'peterson' adapter cable available from? i have a touch, so i would need the cable. pic earlier in the thread.
and how about the offset programming?


Try this.
https://www.petersontuners.com/index.cfm?category=135&action=itemView&itemID=39

[csd]

thanx guys ;)

[mslugano]

Man, I feel like I have been living in a cave. I hadn't been turned on to the Turbo Tuner until this thread and it looks so fine. I have been happy with my Boss TU2 using the method Tom wrote about awhile back (using open high E/B and 7th fret harmonics on the rest). Looks like I may have to reinvest in a new tuner.

[dannopelli]

Man, I feel like I have been living in a cave. I hadn't been turned on to the Turbo Tuner until this thread and it looks so fine. I have been happy with my Boss TU2 using the method Tom wrote about awhile back (using open high E/B and 7th fret harmonics on the rest). Looks like I may have to reinvest in a new tuner.

I did the same thing for a long time. You will love this tuner.

[dave]

If the offsets can be set to increments of 0.1 cents, does that mean that a +01 offset is really +00.1, or is it +01.0???:confused:

[John Price]

If the offsets can be set to increments of 0.1 cents, does that mean that a +01 offset is really +00.1, or is it +01.0???:confused:


Hey Dave,

It should be +01.0

[dave]

Hey Dave,

It should be +01.0
cheers John!:)

[chasyboy]

LOVE the Turbo Tuner! I have owned 3 Peterson Strobo Stomps and two of the Korgs and Boss and so far the TT is the fastest and the easiest to use. I also play pedal steel and with all of the weird issues (tuning with pedals up or down), the nuance is very important.

The best part was that I spoke to people at the company and they sent me a who dissertation about how to tune the pedal steel (along with BF offsets). These guys really know their stuff.

But honestly, my favorite way to use this tuner is with my upright acoustic bass. It is SO fast. If I used the Peterson, it would waiver for days! The TT was immediate and dead on. On two of the Peterson's I had problems with the display going out (and these are the Strobo Stomp II). I called the company and they had me 'clip' a capacitor so it would work. The other problem I had, I could not program presets into one of their internal memory...so that one I had to manually change (more button clicks) between Standard and BF...Bad!

One downside on the TT...the buttons get bumped sometimes changing the mode of the tuning, so you do have to be careful and there is no backlight in the LCD. I'm going to get a second one for my pedal board (no mic in tuner) just cause I trust them more. Nice guys, good company, good product for anyone needing offsets, open tunings, blah, blah...

[pipedwho]

One downside on the TT...the buttons get bumped sometimes changing the mode of the tuning, so you do have to be careful and there is no backlight in the LCD.
There is a backlight in the ST-122, you just have to enable it in the menu. :)

[dave]

hey Tom - any chance your guys could verify the BFTS offsets being circulated for this?

[mdrs]

For what it's worth, I was able to use the offsets posted here, and using just the instructional booklet, I seem to have successfully put the BF offsets into "bass" preset mode on my ST-200. I've tuned my Classic using this, and it sounds great!! I wonder why they named the modes the way they did on the ST-200?? They should have just labled them numerically, instead of bass, cst1, cst2, etc.. That's somewhat confusing. NOT a big deal, however. I use the "guitar" channel for standard tuning (as it is factory set). I put the BF offsets on the next preset mode, which is the one they label "bass". I don't do alternative tunings on electric, so that's all I've used so far on my ST-200

I love the TT (I also have a ST-122 and love it!! I'm learning "Little Martha" and it's "instant open D"!! Very easy to use. I'm using the ST-122 for my acoustics.

[Suriel Zayas]

hey Tom - any chance your guys could verify the BFTS offsets being circulated for this?

dunno, but if the offsets posted or circulated are incorrect, my tunings must be off! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

[John Price]

The BFTS offsets that have been circulating most likely came from the Peterson website/forum. They seem to be one of the companies that talk openly about it! As great as it is I really wish that it would be less of a mystery to this system.

[Irreverent]

I just got my TurboTuner also. It's great!

I have the blue Peterson Strobostomp, and a Planet Waves tuner pedal, and they are ok, but as most have noted here, the TT is awesome! And FAST!

I am so glad I joined this forum! Lots of good info and nice people.

Thanks for the tip on the TT!!

Peace.

[Suriel Zayas]

The BFTS offsets that have been circulating most likely came from the Peterson website/forum. They seem to be one of the companies that talk openly about it! As great as it is I really wish that it would be less of a mystery to this system.

john, i believe the issue is licensing, those offsets are the intellectual property of bfts. therefore, peterson probably has a license to publish them for their products, tt probably doesn't. tom has a license to install bfts, but not to publish the offsets.

[dave]

dunno, but if the offsets posted or circulated are incorrect, my tunings must be off! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :D
the tuning offsets seem fine, but I'm a little unsure about the 12th fret offsets:
a) because when I tried them they suggested the intonation was a bit off, even though it's not been altered since the build - maybe it's just an indication of the TT's sensitivity
b) although the offsets can be set to tolerances of 0.1 cents, all 12 offsets quoted are whole numbers. If the TT is that sensitive, shouldn't there be a few decimal places somewhere in the offsets?:confused:

[tom]

i think you're all getting too technical. we've setup guitars here and had 3 different people intonate the same guitar with the same tuner and we all got slightly different results, even when we were all consciously being super careful with finger pressure and left hand pressure on the neck. with all the other variables you have to deal with playing the guitar, 1 cent is close enough.

[ckofahl]

Each of us have a different amount of pressure that we apply when fretting a note, and that pressure effects the measurement of that tone. I have a light touch, the guy that used to do my set ups before I started doing my own, had big fingers and pressed harder than I did, and I would always get different results than he. The offsets that are circulating came from an article that was about the BF system, the open and the 12th fret.

[ckofahl]

In reply to my own post, I did some digging and found it on the peterson web site it was a post from their technical support.

Settings to be entered into P-1:
Note________Open String Offsets
E___________________00
B__________________+01
G__________________-02
D__________________-02
A__________________-02
E__________________-02 (on VS-II and V-SAM tuners, use F = -2)

Settings to be entered into P-2:
Note__________12th Fret Offsets
E___________________00
B___________________00
G__________________+01
D__________________+01
A___________________00
E___________________00

[dave]

okay - now I understand!
Cheers:D :D

[John Price]

Hey! That looks familiar!?? :D


http://andersonforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=38&highlight=Buzz+feiten+offsets

[chasyboy]

There is a backlight in the ST-122, you just have to enable it in the menu. :)


what menu? :) Thanks, doh!

[tom]

just got the 122. being a manualaphobic, is there a way to program the open and 12th fret offsets and get back and forth between them without having to step through all the other tunings?

[pipedwho]

just got the 122. being a manualaphobic, is there a way to program the open and 12th fret offsets and get back and forth between them without having to step through all the other tunings?
If you press the 'Alt' button while pressing 'Mode' it goes backwards through the modes instead of forwards.

The other option if you only ever use the two modes is to delete all of the other presets. Chromatic is always still available for regular guitars, but the mode button will effectively become a toggle switch.

[tom]

perfect, thanks

[tom]

so i talked to roger at sonic research and he said you could program the 122 so that tuning and intonation offsets could be in the same program and open and 12th fret note would be recognized by the tuner. it works and is very cool for setting intonation since you don't have to remember to push any buttons. the catch is that you have to program the notes from highest to lowest pitch with the correct octaves. easy enough to hit all the notes and write them down then order them keeping in mind that C is the first note of each octave. don't know if the pedal tuner can do the same but i'll ask him next time i call.

[pipedwho]

That's great to know! The ST-122 is a fantastic bench tuner and is 'always on' so you don't have to worry about stomping it in/out. The tone-suck is pretty minimal too.

The ST-200 only displays 1-9 for the strings, so it only allows up to 9 strings to be programmed. Enough for a bass + intonation, but not for a guitar. Perfect, however for gigging pedal boards where having a stompable mute is also handy and intonating is not usually done live.

[ducmike]

A nice feature of the ST-200 is the right and left buttons. I programmed the BF tuning and 12th fret offsets side by side. So, you just have to push one button to move between them.

[dave]

The ST-200 only displays 1-9 for the strings, so it only allows up to 9 strings to be programmed. Enough for a bass + intonation, but not for a guitar.
I must be missing something here....you can put the open and 12th fret offsets into 2 of the custom tuning positions - as ducmike says, this works great.:confused:

[dannopelli]

I must be missing something here....you can put the open and 12th fret offsets into 2 of the custom tuning positions - as ducmike says, this works great.:confused:

I actually have Standard in Custom 1, BF Open in Custom 2, and BF 12 in Custom 3. Only my Andy's have BF. So if I am switching from say, a D28 to one of my Classics, I just have a one toggle move up or down.

[mdrs]

I actually have Standard in Custom 1, BF Open in Custom 2, and BF 12 in Custom 3. Only my Andy's have BF. So if I am switching from say, a D28 to one of my Classics, I just have a one toggle move up or down.

I followed your advice here, Danno. I've used your "scheme" to set up my ST-200, and it works out well. I've left my ST-122 with all the presets for open tunings, for now.

I do some fingerstyle, but have never messed around with open tunings before recently. I've been playing around a bit with a National resonator, and slide with the fingerstyle, and it's a ton of fun. The open tuning presets on the ST-122 make it so much easier to go into the open tunings. I wish I had one a long time ago!!

[pipedwho]

I must be missing something here....you can put the open and 12th fret offsets into 2 of the custom tuning positions - as ducmike says, this works great.:confused:
Sorry, what I wrote was a bit confusing out of context from Tom's post (right above mine).

What you describe is how the ST-200 should be set up for BFTS + intonation offsets.

However, as Tom described, the cool thing about the ST-122 is that you can put both the BFTS regular and the BFTS intonation offsets into the _same_ preset. Then the tuner will automatically work out which one you want as soon as you pluck the string. That means you don't have to touch the tuner when going back and forth between open and 12th frets while intonating the guitar. This is a HUGE improvement in usability and speed for intonating a BFTS guitar.

What I meant in my previous post is that the ST-200 can't be set up as per the above, which is fine for people who hardly ever intonate their BFTS guitar.

[dannopelli]

Sorry, what I wrote was a bit confusing out of context from Tom's post (right above mine).

What you describe is how the ST-200 should be set up for BFTS + intonation offsets.

However, as Tom described, the cool thing about the ST-122 is that you can put both the BFTS regular and the BFTS intonation offsets into the _same_ preset. Then the tuner will automatically work out which one you want as soon as you pluck the string. That means you don't have to touch the tuner when going back and forth between open and 12th frets while intonating the guitar. This is a HUGE improvement in usability and speed for intonating a BFTS guitar.

What I meant in my previous post is that the ST-200 can't be set up as per the above, which is fine for people who hardly ever intonate their BFTS guitar.

But you can still program them in separate presets. Also, only the chromatic setting I believe can not be overwritten.

[dave]

okay, now I get you dr. who:)

[csd]

In reply to my own post, I did some digging and found it on the peterson web site it was a post from their technical support.

Settings to be entered into P-1:
Note________Open String Offsets
E___________________00
B__________________+01
G__________________-02
D__________________-02
A__________________-02
E__________________-02 (on VS-II and V-SAM tuners, use F = -2)

Settings to be entered into P-2:
Note__________12th Fret Offsets
E___________________00
B___________________00
G__________________+01
D__________________+01
A___________________00
E___________________00

I'm sorry, but I just got an ST-200. Are these 'open' or 'temperment' tunings?
thanx for any help :rolleyes: